BSG 4x11 Questions

[hjea]

Okay so wow, a lot happened. And apparently it's only supposed to get darker from here. Yay? I forget who first coined the phrase: "And you thought Buffy season six was dark" BUT THAT JUST KEEPS GETTING MORE APPROPRIATE AS THE SHOW GOES ON.




So... are we sure that Ellen is the final cylon? And it's not even that I'm bitter about it, I think Ellen Tight makes a really interesting choice. But just the way the reveal was set-up... I don't know I'm not wholly convinced. Because if she's the Final Fifth, then what is Starbuck? And seriously, what are the differences between the Final Five and the original seven. Is it merely that they originated from Earth versus the 12 colonies and therefore have slightly different evolutionary traits? Or is something more. And how did the seven know about them in the first place? And what's going on??

I should have faith that RDM will answer these questions in the next 9 episodes. I should have faith, but...

Comments

[elizalavelle.livejournal.com]

I think Starbuck is something else entirely. She was set up too much to be the final cylon, it's too much of a cop out to do that. I blogged about her in my LJ entry about the episode. I think she is the one who nuked Earth 2000 years ago and started this whole thing... maybe.

I would bet that the final 5 are somewhere in cylon myth in the same way that the plant earth was in human mythology. Who knows. BSG so far has been pretty good at finishing storylines so I'm keeping the faith that it'll be ended properly.

[hjea.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think I'm in agreement that Starbuck is something else. But I'm still not sure about Ellen.

I'm not sure about Starbuck nuking the planet, if only because her wreckage looks much younger than 2,000 years. Of course that's just a technical thing, so I shouldn't be so nit-picky.

I CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT.

[elizalavelle.livejournal.com]

I'm nit picking the wreckage too but she said she saw the planet when it was alive and there were people there I believe. So that would be pre-nuking I think. Unless I'm totally remembering that wrong.

I watched the whole thing up through season 4.0 last spring in one go, waiting week to week now is going to kill me!

[hjea.livejournal.com]

Yeah she did say she saw the planet when it was alive. But now that we know she died(?) we can just question everything she saw or thought she saw or felt or anything. I am excited about this -- I think Kara's storyline is going to be the most interesting this season.

[bichito.livejournal.com]

I have exactly the same questions! And I'm hoping they'll be answered.

[hjea.livejournal.com]

*crosses fingers*

Please tell us, RDM. Please, please, please, please, please.

*prays fervently*

[ohvienna.livejournal.com]

Yep, it's true (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html). And I like what he has to say a lot. Especially regarding just getting it the hell out of the way so that we could move on with the story and the questions it brings up. Any sort of build-up for the fifth cylon was bound to lead to disappointment, anyway. And, for me, if it was anyone bigger and more important, I would have been wholeheartedly pissed off, especially if it was Starbuck. I like the idea of the epic relationship mythology that Moore brings up with Ellen and Tigh, too, and all the implications this means for things retrospectively.

We sort of can infer that the Final Five are more what the rest of the Cylons want to be; I don't know the extent of how their prior lives can be programmed or how they came to be reborn, but they do seem to actually age, for one thing, and for realsies, judging by Tigh's relationship to Adama, and they don't resurrect in the traditional sense (not that any of the models can anymore, anyway) etc.

YAY CRAZY DEPRESSING SHOW IS BACK OMG!!!

[hjea.livejournal.com]

Alrighty, that's good to know. And it is good that the creators are laying the info about the Five out there and moving on to all the other stories they have to wrap up. And now it's going to so neat to watch Tigh reel with the information that his wife was a Cylon, supposedly his soulmate from another life, and that he killed her. AND what the repercussions are going to be with Six and her pregnancy and EVERYTHING and...


YAY CRAZY DEPRESSING SHOW IS BACK OMG!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!

I need more BSG icons. *goes searching*

[hjea.livejournal.com]

I really enjoyed that article, thanks for sharing!

One thing I found noteworthy, the interviewer starts quoting Yeats at one point: "If Dee can’t take it, then the center cannot hold. And it doesn’t. We see the Galactica descend into “mere anarchy.” And I can't help but thinking how similar the show's 2,000 year cycles are similar to Yeats' idea of gyres and how great disastors happen in 2,000 year intervals.

And maybe I'm reaching and being a little too esoteric but I love how this show forces you to think and make these connections and just... YAY.

[bluewingedpixie.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the link :) Interesting read. Now I'm going to sit back and see if RDM can erase my doubts.

[hjea.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've got quite the "we can only wait and see" feeling about this season.

[noblealice.livejournal.com]

1) I love your icon!! Agathon-love!!

2) On one hand it makes sense because cylons have this thing where they are sexually attracted to one another but can't have kids (chief/sharon). It makes me think it was planned?

On the other hand: BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY! Why isn't HE the last cylon? Even Wikipedia thought so!

3) All my thoughts are a "moo point" (;D) because I haven't actually watched any recent episodes, I just spoiled myself through my flist.

[hjea.livejournal.com]

I looooooove the Agathons and their little unconventional perfect family. If you haven't seen it yet (and ack -- spoiling through the flist! Tsk, tsk *g*) there is one nice little scene of Agathon happiness amidst the OMG DEPRESSING which helps. A little.

I think the Ellen thing is going to prove to be a really neat choice. Hopefully. The writers usually pull through, so I'll keep hoping.

[otahyoni.livejournal.com]

I'm still a bit "hmmmm..." about Ellen, but I do like the idea of her and Tigh having this weirdly epic through-the-lifetimes romance thing. I'm just not sure how Ellen being The One changes anything. I mean, what can she do? What kind of power does she have over the fate of the Fleet? I thought the Final Cylon was going to be the key to ending everything and Ellen seems a bit...peripheral.

Of course, she's not in the Fleet, currently, so maybe that's how she's key...

I do think the Final Five are different. They age, as Tigh shows, and since Tigh knocked Caprica Six up, they can apparently reproduce. My friend avadriel thinks humans are descended from the Thirteenth Colony of Cylons, since anyone who fled Earth would have been Cylon. I love this idea to itty bitty bits. All this has happened before, and all this will happen again! Cylons evolve into humans who then create more Cylons.

Starbuck is fascinating. I can't wait to find out what's going on with her, because I already think it's awesome, and we don't even actually know anything yet. (It cracked me up that her body was all burned to a crispy-crisp, except her hair. Hee.)

I LOVE THIS SHOW.

[hjea.livejournal.com]

I'm just left wondering then if Ellen is actually alive somewhere, or if Tigh really did just kill the Fifth. In which case good job there, chum. ;) But in all seriousness I'll just choose to have the faith that the creators will do something REALLY COOL with Ellen, and with all of the characters (STARBUUUUCK!) in these last episodes.

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again! Cylons evolve into humans who then create more Cylons.

I know, I love that idea as well! The cyclical nature of time and history keeps coming up again and again in this show and it's just so well done!

It cracked me up that her body was all burned to a crispy-crisp, except her hair. Hee.

It's because of her Special Destiny. It's the hair. *serious nod*

[katnicholson.livejournal.com]

LOL, I love the Starbuck petrified hair thing too. It was kind of "just in case you didn't guess who it was going to be, here's dead giveaway hair!"

I wasn't thrown so much by Ellen being the Fifth (if that's indeed what she is, I agree with hjea that it's not exactly written in stone yet) because I'd been wondering how the fifth managed to avoid hearing Sam's bulkhead song that time and figured whoever it was had to have been out of the fleet or dead at the time.

Mostly I was WTFed by the "there are no humans here" thing. If there were only Cylons there and they died 2,000 years ago, who made the Cylons? There had to have been real squishy people somewhere sometime. Computers don't invent themselves! And this whole cycle of humans and cylons creating/evolving messes with my brain in a "what came first, the chicken or the egg" sort of way.

Two things I loved about that episode though:

1) Tyrol bonding/hanging out with his crazy death shadow
2) Now in addition to being a famous sports player, freedom fighter, and viper pilot, Sam is now also apparently a former rockstar. Could be BE any more AWESOME?

[hjea.livejournal.com]

So I think the evidence points to Ellen definitely being the 5th cylon (unless RDM is straight up lying which... well, not out of the realm of possibility) and I'm cool with that. Now I'm just left wondering, well... Ellen is dead. So... OR IS SHE???!!!

Now in addition to being a famous sports player, freedom fighter, and viper pilot, Sam is now also apparently a former rockstar. Could be BE any more AWESOME?

Sam Anders > Everybody.

I think there's sufficient proof now.