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perving for the win
Yes. I'm still talking about it.
I've been amusing myself over at the TWOP forums reading about this episode. And all of the discussion seems pretty much centred around:
1) "SO MANY DAMN LACES!" vs. "NO, IT'S SEXY!"
2) "PFFT, FAN SERVICE!" vs. "ONE HELL OF AN AWESOME FAN SERVICE!"
3) "THEY HAD SEX!" vs. "NO, THEY DIDN'T GET THAT FAR!" vs. "NO, THEY TOTALLY DID IT!"
Leading to...
4) "SO THE CONFESSOR THING HAPPENING DURING SEX, IS THAT JUST AN ORGASM THING? 'CAUSE THEY COULD GET AROUND THAT PRETTY EASILY."
All in all, I'm clearly not the only one obsessing about this. ;D
But I'll try to legitimize this fan!voyeurism just a teeny bit with some speculation. I'm not convinced the episode ever made clear that ye olde Seeker, Kieran, was confessed when he slept with the Confessor. Obviously the wizard, and even Vivian thought he was, and it's quite plausible that his devotion to her, and his distraction toward his mission, grew after he slept with her. But the wizard seemed to chalk up Kieran's grief and rage after Vivian's death to a kind of über-confession, as opposed to the grief and anger of simply having his love die in front of him, caused by rather horrible manipulations on the part of his supposed friend. (And then the stupid wizard is so SHOCKED AND DISMAYED that Kieran goes mad after he's handed his sword THAT FEEDS ON RAGE. Well duh.) I have some Wikipedia information about Richard and Kahlan from the book, so I can guess the implications the show could be giving us here, but I'm more curious about the choice of sex as the medium for this kind of confession itself. Obviously the show is building its mythology on what's been already set out in Terry Goodkind's novels, and there are some Issues therein about how sexuality is portrayed. But if a Confessor only loses control during a moment of pleasure, well, you know, how much pleasure are we talking here? Because as the forum was getting into, that doesn't necessarily bar Richard and Kahlan from still having a lot of fun. In a lot of ways, it seems like a rather outdated acclamation of abstinence and virginity--Richard and Kahlan can't be together at all, full stop, because that would be Wrong, or impure, or what have you. Which is fairly annoying when you've got two people who love each other and want to be with each other, and could probably engage in a number of sexual acts without any soul-losing consequences. And yes, this is a tv show, and they can't really get into detail like that, and besides, they need ways to keep the tension going and stretch out the UST. I suppose I'm just wondering if there's any way we can move beyond these rather stunted approaches to sexuality anytime soon. But I have a feeling, as I said before, that that's probably the most nookie those two are going to get for a LOOOOOONG time.
In either case, have another sex!spam
And how 'bout a youtube vid while you're at it.
Definitely a better use of my time than school work. *G*
*drums fingers*
So where's the fic, guys?
I've been amusing myself over at the TWOP forums reading about this episode. And all of the discussion seems pretty much centred around:
1) "SO MANY DAMN LACES!" vs. "NO, IT'S SEXY!"
2) "PFFT, FAN SERVICE!" vs. "ONE HELL OF AN AWESOME FAN SERVICE!"
3) "THEY HAD SEX!" vs. "NO, THEY DIDN'T GET THAT FAR!" vs. "NO, THEY TOTALLY DID IT!"
Leading to...
4) "SO THE CONFESSOR THING HAPPENING DURING SEX, IS THAT JUST AN ORGASM THING? 'CAUSE THEY COULD GET AROUND THAT PRETTY EASILY."
All in all, I'm clearly not the only one obsessing about this. ;D
But I'll try to legitimize this fan!voyeurism just a teeny bit with some speculation. I'm not convinced the episode ever made clear that ye olde Seeker, Kieran, was confessed when he slept with the Confessor. Obviously the wizard, and even Vivian thought he was, and it's quite plausible that his devotion to her, and his distraction toward his mission, grew after he slept with her. But the wizard seemed to chalk up Kieran's grief and rage after Vivian's death to a kind of über-confession, as opposed to the grief and anger of simply having his love die in front of him, caused by rather horrible manipulations on the part of his supposed friend. (And then the stupid wizard is so SHOCKED AND DISMAYED that Kieran goes mad after he's handed his sword THAT FEEDS ON RAGE. Well duh.) I have some Wikipedia information about Richard and Kahlan from the book, so I can guess the implications the show could be giving us here, but I'm more curious about the choice of sex as the medium for this kind of confession itself. Obviously the show is building its mythology on what's been already set out in Terry Goodkind's novels, and there are some Issues therein about how sexuality is portrayed. But if a Confessor only loses control during a moment of pleasure, well, you know, how much pleasure are we talking here? Because as the forum was getting into, that doesn't necessarily bar Richard and Kahlan from still having a lot of fun. In a lot of ways, it seems like a rather outdated acclamation of abstinence and virginity--Richard and Kahlan can't be together at all, full stop, because that would be Wrong, or impure, or what have you. Which is fairly annoying when you've got two people who love each other and want to be with each other, and could probably engage in a number of sexual acts without any soul-losing consequences. And yes, this is a tv show, and they can't really get into detail like that, and besides, they need ways to keep the tension going and stretch out the UST. I suppose I'm just wondering if there's any way we can move beyond these rather stunted approaches to sexuality anytime soon. But I have a feeling, as I said before, that that's probably the most nookie those two are going to get for a LOOOOOONG time.
In either case, have another sex!spam
And how 'bout a youtube vid while you're at it.
Definitely a better use of my time than school work. *G*
*drums fingers*
So where's the fic, guys?
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But I don't really take it seriously, which is maybe why I love it. I just watched the last episode with a friend of mine who doesn't really like shows like this, and we both spent the hour mocking it and laughing. But at the end I still LOOOOOOOOOOOVE it.
I don't think it'll disappoint us. It can't. I've decided. Maybe that's just my RH!denial talking, but I'm going to choose to be optimistic.
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LOL, when you mock a show is because you love it.
Oh, I hope it doesn't disappoint us, so far it's been the reward we've been waiting after all the drama we've been through because of fandom. So, yeah, we deserve a show that makes us happy, and this one
so farmakes me happy.